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{ "episode": { "guest": "Jen Abel", "expertise_tags": [ "Enterprise Sales", "B2B SaaS", "Sales Strategy", "Go-to-Market", "Founder-Led Sales", "Deal Structuring", "Sales Hiring" ], "summary": "Jen Abel, co-founder of JJELLYFISH and GM of Enterprise at State Affairs, shares tactical enterprise sales advice for companies scaling from $1M to $10M ARR. She discusses counterintuitive strategies including targeting tier-one logos early, pricing at $75-150K ACVs, vision casting over problem selling, design partner selection, and building an enterprise sales team. Abel emphasizes that enterprise and SMB sales are fundamentally different games requiring distinct approaches, and that successful enterprise sales is more art than science, requiring relationship-building, deal crafting, and finding salespeople who can \"cosplay a founder.\"", "key_frameworks": [ "Vision Casting vs Problem Selling", "Gap Selling vs Problem Selling", "Land and Expand Strategy", "Deal Crafting", "Qualification and Disqualification", "Tier-One Logo Strategy", "Enterprise vs SMB Games", "Forward Deployed Engineer Model", "Co-Authored Pricing" ] }, "topics": [ { "id": "topic_1", "title": "Introduction and Framing Enterprise Sales", "summary": "Jen Abel introduces the conversation on enterprise sales from $1M to $10M ARR. She emphasizes that vision casting and selling opportunities to leaders is more effective than selling problems, and that the market wants to buy, not be sold to.", "timestamp_start": "00:00:00", "timestamp_end": "00:05:56", "line_start": 1, "line_end": 60 }, { "id": "topic_2", "title": "The Mid-Market Doesn't Exist - Enterprise vs SMB Segmentation", "summary": "Jen explains that mid-market is a false category and that companies should clearly choose between SMB (marketing-led) or enterprise (sales-led) games. There's no hybrid approach that works. Enterprise requires understanding different buyer dynamics, decision-making processes, and risk tolerances.", "timestamp_start": "00:05:42", "timestamp_end": "00:08:08", "line_start": 61, "line_end": 79 }, { "id": "topic_3", "title": "Target Tier-One Logos Early as Design Partners", "summary": "Counterintuitively, founders should pursue tier-one companies (Fortune 1000 leaders like Walmart, NVIDIA, ExxonMobil) early because they're early adopters seeking competitive advantage. They move fast, provide valuable feedback, and serve as proof points for the rest of the market.", "timestamp_start": "00:08:08", "timestamp_end": "00:10:50", "line_start": 80, "line_end": 106 }, { "id": "topic_4", "title": "Vision Casting and Opportunity Selling", "summary": "Rather than selling solutions to problems, founders should vision cast - showing customers what they'll become with your product. This means selling alpha (competitive advantage), future state capability, and business transformation rather than tactical problem resolution.", "timestamp_start": "00:11:01", "timestamp_end": "00:15:35", "line_start": 107, "line_end": 152 }, { "id": "topic_5", "title": "Pricing Strategy - Avoid Discounting and Small Deals", "summary": "Founders should avoid heavy discounting and $10K deals because they attract poor-fit customers, signal a false sense of product-market fit, and anchor pricing too low. Instead, aim for $75-150K initial contracts that attract serious, well-resourced buyers committed to success.", "timestamp_start": "00:15:35", "timestamp_end": "00:20:45", "line_start": 153, "line_end": 199 }, { "id": "topic_6", "title": "Land and Expand - Price Anchoring Matters", "summary": "The initial contract price creates a ceiling for future expansion. Starting too low ($10K) makes it nearly impossible to justify 10x increases to $100K without the customer demanding equivalent value increases they may not perceive. Better to land at $75-150K with room to expand.", "timestamp_start": "00:20:45", "timestamp_end": "00:25:11", "line_start": 200, "line_end": 255 }, { "id": "topic_7", "title": "Design Partners - Selection and Management", "summary": "Choose design partners from technology-forward companies in Fortune 1000 that understand startups. Set clear pricing expectations and roadmaps from the start. The founder must maintain vision clarity and filter feedback - approximately 80% is noise based on old ways of working, 20% provides genuine insight.", "timestamp_start": "00:25:11", "timestamp_end": "00:31:49", "line_start": 256, "line_end": 316 }, { "id": "topic_8", "title": "Enterprise vs Startup Go-to-Market Strategy", "summary": "Founders should choose their go-to-market approach based on their strengths: if they're strong marketers with audience-building capability, pursue SMB; if they understand enterprise dynamics and can deliver $100K+ value, go enterprise. The approach should match founder expertise.", "timestamp_start": "00:32:13", "timestamp_end": "00:36:54", "line_start": 317, "line_end": 371 }, { "id": "topic_9", "title": "Enterprise Sales is an Art - Deal Crafting and Creativity", "summary": "Enterprise sales from $1M-$10M ARR requires treating it as an art form focused on deal crafting, relationship building, and adding value through non-product means (custom integrations, events, strategic partnerships) while maintaining vision clarity and avoiding customer sidetracking.", "timestamp_start": "00:37:03", "timestamp_end": "00:39:39", "line_start": 372, "line_end": 396 }, { "id": "topic_10", "title": "Services-First Approach to Enter Enterprise", "summary": "Rather than selling pure product, start with services delivered by your software. This is what enterprises know how to buy. Once foot-in-door and trust is established, transition customers to self-serve product. Examples include Palantir's Forward Deployed Engineers and consulting firms like McKinsey.", "timestamp_start": "00:39:59", "timestamp_end": "00:44:41", "line_start": 397, "line_end": 441 }, { "id": "topic_11", "title": "Hiring Your First Enterprise Salesperson", "summary": "Hire the first sales rep around $1M ARR after you've established repeatability with 7-10 customers. Look for former founders, product people, or engineers - not trained salespeople. They should be able to \"cosplay a founder\" - sell vision, build trust, and adapt creatively. Expect 50% failure rate.", "timestamp_start": "00:50:29", "timestamp_end": "01:00:02", "line_start": 520, "line_end": 644 }, { "id": "topic_12", "title": "Sales Compensation and Structure", "summary": "Structure compensation as 50% base / 50% OTE (on-target earnings). Commission is typically 8-12% (around 10%) of deal value. Hire two people simultaneously due to 50% failure rate. The right incentive structure helps salespeople see upside potential.", "timestamp_start": "00:57:33", "timestamp_end": "01:00:02", "line_start": 599, "line_end": 644 }, { "id": "topic_13", "title": "Getting Initial Meetings with Decision Makers", "summary": "Stand out by being counterintuitive and offering unique perspective in 3 sentences. Don't use standard templated approaches. Make them feel they can learn from a 15-minute call. Avoid generic outreach that lacks specific insight or vision.", "timestamp_start": "01:00:15", "timestamp_end": "01:01:40", "line_start": 647, "line_end": 663 }, { "id": "topic_14", "title": "Outbound Tooling and Manual Personalization", "summary": "Jen doesn't use automated outbound tools. Instead, she manually personalizes each message based on visual cues, company context, and role. This is viable for $100K+ deals where ROI justifies time investment. AI tools commoditize outreach by using same databases.", "timestamp_start": "01:07:39", "timestamp_end": "01:11:12", "line_start": 729, "line_end": 764 }, { "id": "topic_15", "title": "Qualification and Disqualification - Early Detection", "summary": "Jen practices aggressive qualification. On the first call, she determines if it's a yes or no - no in-betweens. If she senses lack of fit, she surfaces it directly and removes the prospect, saving time and preserving relationships. No is data.", "timestamp_start": "01:06:38", "timestamp_end": "01:07:33", "line_start": 714, "line_end": 725 }, { "id": "topic_16", "title": "Reframing Objections and Competitive Positioning", "summary": "When facing objections (\"we already use X\"), don't argue. Instead, agree and reframe to the unique alpha you provide. Position not against the competitor but against the gap they can't fill. Focus on upstream value, not feature-level differences.", "timestamp_start": "01:13:55", "timestamp_end": "01:14:08", "line_start": 800, "line_end": 805 }, { "id": "topic_17", "title": "Enterprise Customer Relationships and Trust Building", "summary": "Enterprise deals close through text/phone relationships, not email. Being highly responsive builds trust. Enterprise buyers are willing to \"turn over rocks\" for vendors they trust. A Fortune 10 customer told Jen: \"It's a tall order, but if it's going to help you, let's do it.\"", "timestamp_start": "01:02:33", "timestamp_end": "01:04:32", "line_start": 679, "line_end": 691 }, { "id": "topic_18", "title": "Co-Authored Pricing and Deal Customization", "summary": "Enterprise deals rarely look identical. Co-author pricing with customers so they can defend the investment. Trade flexibility (lower year 1, higher year 2, or add constraints like longer term) for price adjustments. Every deal should feel customized.", "timestamp_start": "01:05:20", "timestamp_end": "01:06:25", "line_start": 706, "line_end": 712 }, { "id": "topic_19", "title": "Be Different, Not Better - Standing Out in a Crowded Market", "summary": "Everyone tries to be better or copy what works. Instead, be different. Don't be afraid to experiment, use unconventional approaches, record calls if needed. The market gets excited about novelty and the possibility that new approaches could be transformative.", "timestamp_start": "01:14:30", "timestamp_end": "01:15:40", "line_start": 814, "line_end": 819 }, { "id": "topic_20", "title": "Founder Clarity on Vision and Feedback Filtering", "summary": "When working with design partners and customers, the founder's job is to maintain clear vision and filter feedback. Many requests represent old ways of working. The founder must decide what feedback drives the 20% valuable insight versus the 80% noise.", "timestamp_start": "00:30:10", "timestamp_end": "00:31:35", "line_start": 301, "line_end": 309 } ], "insights": [ { "id": "insight_1", "text": "You need to vision cast, you need to sell to a gap, don't sell to a problem. When you're selling to a leader, you need to be selling an opportunity.", "context": "Core principle for enterprise sales - focus on what leaders can become rather than problems to fix", "topic_id": "topic_4", "line_start": 1, "line_end": 2 }, { "id": "insight_2", "text": "The market doesn't want to be sold to, they want to buy.", "context": "Fundamental shift in mindset needed for enterprise sales", "topic_id": "topic_1", "line_start": 2, "line_end": 2 }, { "id": "insight_3", "text": "Most founders would rather get 10 10K deals than lose nine and get one 100K deal.", "context": "Psychological bias that harms long-term business building", "topic_id": "topic_5", "line_start": 5, "line_end": 5 }, { "id": "insight_4", "text": "If they're sitting there nickel-and-diming you, they're not fully bought in on what you're selling them.", "context": "Discounting serves as a qualification signal that customer isn't committed", "topic_id": "topic_5", "line_start": 8, "line_end": 8 }, { "id": "insight_5", "text": "As soon as you become a comparison, as soon as you become one of three that they're testing out, you've already sort of lost. It's all about differentiation.", "context": "RFP culture and competitive bakeoffs favor the incumbent or perceived leader", "topic_id": "topic_9", "line_start": 14, "line_end": 14 }, { "id": "insight_6", "text": "It's more of an art. It's all about deal crafting. It is a relationship you're building with someone. If they know they can call on you, people will turn over rocks for you.", "context": "Enterprise sales success depends on relationship depth, not process efficiency", "topic_id": "topic_9", "line_start": 19, "line_end": 20 }, { "id": "insight_7", "text": "The thing about AI tools is they're all pulling from the same databases. I want to email someone not in the database that's getting hit by a million folks. I want to take a back door in, not the front door where everyone else is trick or treating.", "context": "Outbound tools create commoditization; manual outreach has become differentiated", "topic_id": "topic_14", "line_start": 26, "line_end": 26 }, { "id": "insight_8", "text": "The mid-market doesn't exist because what is a mid-market hire? It's either low end enterprise or upper end SMB, and if you bleed these two games you're going to lose.", "context": "Business model fundamentals force binary choice between marketing-led and sales-led", "topic_id": "topic_2", "line_start": 71, "line_end": 71 }, { "id": "insight_9", "text": "Early adopters are those logos because they have to continue to stay at the number one spot. Staying in the number one spot is the hardest part.", "context": "Tier-one logos invest aggressively in innovation to maintain market leadership", "topic_id": "topic_3", "line_start": 83, "line_end": 83 }, { "id": "insight_10", "text": "In the age of AI where it's all about sucking the oxygen out of the room and winning the deal and getting your foot in the door as quickly as humanly possible before someone else tries to take that, you want to get to the enterprise as fast as humanly possible.", "context": "AI competition intensifies need to establish credibility quickly with tier-one logos", "topic_id": "topic_3", "line_start": 92, "line_end": 92 }, { "id": "insight_11", "text": "We have an ability to deliver alpha, meaning, we have information, we have data, we have a way of working that no one else can do or is going to unlock a new way of thinking for you.", "context": "Vision casting example: frame value as competitive advantage, not feature", "topic_id": "topic_4", "line_start": 122, "line_end": 122 }, { "id": "insight_12", "text": "Founders are so good at selling because they naturally go to vision selling and vision casting versus a typical trained salesperson is find the problem, ask these questions and it just kills the vibe.", "context": "Founders' intuitive approach to selling (vision) outperforms trained sales processes (problem diagnosis)", "topic_id": "topic_4", "line_start": 140, "line_end": 140 }, { "id": "insight_13", "text": "You don't necessarily have access to 10X engineers because they want to be able to use this type of tool. It's about letting them get differentiated talent.", "context": "Cursor vision cast example: tool as talent acquisition differentiator for employer", "topic_id": "topic_4", "line_start": 149, "line_end": 149 }, { "id": "insight_14", "text": "I'd rather have one rock star client that's going to help me figure out the next stage of where this is going than 10 or maybe five that are a good fit, five that are not.", "context": "Customer quality and strategic fit matter more than deal count", "topic_id": "topic_5", "line_start": 164, "line_end": 164 }, { "id": "insight_15", "text": "Enterprise companies are very used to a land, when I say the first initial contract, somewhat between 75K and 150K. In fact, that's probably where you want to start because you also want to understand where can you grow from this.", "context": "Optimal entry price point for enterprise customers - what they expect and can defend", "topic_id": "topic_5", "line_start": 227, "line_end": 227 }, { "id": "insight_16", "text": "If you come in at $10,000, even if they want to bring you in and want to spend 100K with you, they have to be able to defend that and now they see a $10,000, it can get really messy.", "context": "AI contract analysis tools now flag price inconsistencies automatically", "topic_id": "topic_6", "line_start": 230, "line_end": 230 }, { "id": "insight_17", "text": "If you're venture-backed, you can't be selling $10,000 deals to the enterprise, you'll get killed, or you've already lost the game because you're playing a small business game in the wrong sector.", "context": "VC-backed business model economics require enterprise pricing from day one", "topic_id": "topic_5", "line_start": 185, "line_end": 185 }, { "id": "insight_18", "text": "Design partners are incredible. They're the hardest logos to upsell, meaning go from design partner to full rollout customer.", "context": "Design partners require a different expansion strategy than typical customers", "topic_id": "topic_7", "line_start": 266, "line_end": 266 }, { "id": "insight_19", "text": "If you can come out of it and upsell a design partner to a full rollout customer, such a huge win for the market for you, for your team, and also for your investors because it's the hardest customer to actually truly convert.", "context": "Design partner conversion demonstrates product viability with challenging customers", "topic_id": "topic_7", "line_start": 275, "line_end": 275 }, { "id": "insight_20", "text": "It's about getting that early design partner, set the framing, own the framing and let them know where you're going. Again, a $100,000 to these large logos if they want it, it's very easy for them to get it in.", "context": "Frame design partnerships with clear pricing trajectory from the start", "topic_id": "topic_7", "line_start": 281, "line_end": 281 }, { "id": "insight_21", "text": "It's the founder's job to have a clear vision and do not let anything delineate from that. It's important to take feedback in terms of what is the market's reality, but it is the founder that has to interpret that.", "context": "Founders must filter customer feedback through clear vision lens", "topic_id": "topic_20", "line_start": 302, "line_end": 302 }, { "id": "insight_22", "text": "80% noise, 20% had I not asked this question, I wouldn't have gotten that gold in terms of where they are today.", "context": "Design partner feedback split: most reflects old workflows, 20% reveals genuine insights", "topic_id": "topic_20", "line_start": 308, "line_end": 308 }, { "id": "insight_23", "text": "I think it's about what game does the founder best understand? Are they an incredible marketer or are they a bit more really understand how large corporations work?", "context": "Go-to-market strategy should match founder's core strengths and understanding", "topic_id": "topic_8", "line_start": 332, "line_end": 332 }, { "id": "insight_24", "text": "It's much easier to get into the enterprise when you're like, 'We won't even touch your data, won't even touch your data. Just use it to solve problems and then we can build trust and then start to integrate.'", "context": "OpenAI's low-risk entry strategy: prove value before requesting data access", "topic_id": "topic_8", "line_start": 350, "line_end": 350 }, { "id": "insight_25", "text": "From one to 10, I think it's more of an art, which is how do I take my learning and how do I package it up where I own the framing, I can speak to very specific alpha, I can vision cast and where I better understand the problem over time better than the market does.", "context": "$1M-$10M stage requires artistic deal crafting, not scaled processes", "topic_id": "topic_9", "line_start": 386, "line_end": 386 }, { "id": "insight_26", "text": "Sometimes about giving away things that don't really cost much to you, but are super expensive for them. For example, 'Hey, we're selling X tool. We can build out Y specifically for you over the next year and integrate it.'", "context": "Deal crafting: leverage developer time to create outsized perceived value", "topic_id": "topic_9", "line_start": 389, "line_end": 389 }, { "id": "insight_27", "text": "The product is pricing. The product is the opportunity, the framing and not letting them compare you to something else.", "context": "Product is broader than software: includes pricing structure, vision, and competitive positioning", "topic_id": "topic_9", "line_start": 392, "line_end": 392 }, { "id": "insight_28", "text": "Enterprise is the number one thing they buy services, they know how to do it's super easy, they do it all of the time. It's like the most consistent thing they do.", "context": "Services are familiar procurement category for enterprises", "topic_id": "topic_10", "line_start": 401, "line_end": 401 }, { "id": "insight_29", "text": "Selling them as service, even though the technology is powering it on the backend is the fastest way to get your foot in the door. It's what they know how to buy.", "context": "Services wrapper makes product adoption psychologically easier for enterprises", "topic_id": "topic_10", "line_start": 404, "line_end": 404 }, { "id": "insight_30", "text": "Once you sell that surface, once you get that foot in the door, then it's to guide them towards the product. 'Hey, you're spending so much here, why don't we get you to come in and leverage the tool that's been powering this the whole time.'", "context": "Services-to-product transition strategy: move cost from human hours to software licensing", "topic_id": "topic_10", "line_start": 407, "line_end": 407 }, { "id": "insight_31", "text": "Palantir, this Forward Deployed Engineer, that's exactly what they're doing. There's a lot of companies out, I'm sure OpenAI, and this is what someone told me they were in and talking to CTOs and helping them better understand how AI and their organization can better work together.", "context": "Forward Deployed Engineer model: hands-on consulting drives product adoption", "topic_id": "topic_10", "line_start": 413, "line_end": 413 }, { "id": "insight_32", "text": "One to 10 is no longer the founder. Maybe the founder comes in very strategic points, but you need a really good enterprise salespeople.", "context": "Founder-led sales hits scaling limit around $1M ARR", "topic_id": "topic_11", "line_start": 521, "line_end": 521 }, { "id": "insight_33", "text": "Taking someone from small business and expecting them to do enterprise sales, big no-no, it's a different game, right?", "context": "SMB sales skills don't transfer to enterprise - different buyer psychology and process", "topic_id": "topic_11", "line_start": 521, "line_end": 521 }, { "id": "insight_34", "text": "You need to understand how corporations buy. You need to understand how executives think. You need to better understand simply just what the enterprise business model is all about and their ability to take on risk.", "context": "Enterprise sales requires knowledge of corporate structures, decision-making, and risk appetite", "topic_id": "topic_11", "line_start": 524, "line_end": 524 }, { "id": "insight_35", "text": "A junior person converting an executive, again, if the founder is involved, maybe that's doable, but usually the founder can't be involved in every deal and you need people that can cosplay a founder.", "context": "Enterprise sales hires must match buyer seniority and credibility", "topic_id": "topic_11", "line_start": 527, "line_end": 527 }, { "id": "insight_36", "text": "None of my deals look exactly the same, every deal looks different and that's okay because every organization has slightly different opportunities of where they want to go.", "context": "Enterprise deal customization is expected, not exceptional", "topic_id": "topic_11", "line_start": 527, "line_end": 527 }, { "id": "insight_37", "text": "You need people that can cosplay a founder, which is selling the vision, getting them excited, running through a wall to get the deal done and getting creative.", "context": "Enterprise sales hire profile: founder-like execution, not traditional sales rep", "topic_id": "topic_11", "line_start": 527, "line_end": 527 }, { "id": "insight_38", "text": "Maybe a former founder if you can get that, because they're used to selling, they sold investors and they've sold employees.", "context": "Best enterprise sales hire profile: former founder", "topic_id": "topic_11", "line_start": 536, "line_end": 536 }, { "id": "insight_39", "text": "Someone with no sales experience, but has deep product experience or an engineer and can think about things in a unique way where the market is like, 'Oh, this is so interesting.'", "context": "Second-best enterprise sales hire: product background with unique thinking style", "topic_id": "topic_11", "line_start": 536, "line_end": 536 }, { "id": "insight_40", "text": "Taking a typical salesperson then and putting them into a sales role almost always is where people get frustrated. The market, it feels salesy. The market doesn't want to be sold to, they want to buy.", "context": "Traditional sales backgrounds create friction in enterprise market", "topic_id": "topic_11", "line_start": 539, "line_end": 539 }, { "id": "insight_41", "text": "The number of people that I've interviewed, I can count on my hand the ones that I get really, really excited by. It's almost like coming across a great founder.", "context": "Great enterprise salespeople are rare, similar scarcity to great founders", "topic_id": "topic_11", "line_start": 539, "line_end": 539 }, { "id": "insight_42", "text": "The brand was doing all of the work. The brand built the trust. You need this person to be able to build the trust and they're usually, the product is still so new.", "context": "Big company sales hires can't transfer brand trust to startup; must build own credibility", "topic_id": "topic_11", "line_start": 548, "line_end": 548 }, { "id": "insight_43", "text": "A VP of sales at a large company, I would say, they're best suited for a large company because one to 10, you're running through walls. You have to figure out, you're doing a lot of convincing, you're doing a lot of educating, you're doing a lot of creative deal crafting.", "context": "VP-level hires wrong for early enterprise sales scaling phase", "topic_id": "topic_11", "line_start": 551, "line_end": 551 }, { "id": "insight_44", "text": "It's less about experience and more about the person. Does this person make you feel good? Do you want to buy from this person?", "context": "Enterprise sales hire evaluation criteria: emotional resonance and trustworthiness", "topic_id": "topic_11", "line_start": 560, "line_end": 560 }, { "id": "insight_45", "text": "Do they mimic or mirror the market they're selling to? It's much easier to buy from someone that looks and feels like you than it does from somebody that's in a totally different realm.", "context": "Buyer-salesperson similarity increases trust and deal likelihood", "topic_id": "topic_11", "line_start": 566, "line_end": 566 }, { "id": "insight_46", "text": "An executive wants to talk to another senior person. They don't want to talk to someone that just graduated from college and is selling them the new way of working.", "context": "Salesperson seniority must match buyer seniority level", "topic_id": "topic_11", "line_start": 566, "line_end": 566 }, { "id": "insight_47", "text": "Someone with no sales experience makes it feel different and special, that's what I like about it. Someone with sales experience knows how to navigate and probably be qualified better, but it's almost like the blend of those two things.", "context": "Ideal profile: sales navigation skills with fresh, non-salesy approach", "topic_id": "topic_11", "line_start": 569, "line_end": 569 }, { "id": "insight_48", "text": "Could this person close a future employee? Do they get excited about the problems they're solving internally and the vision that they get to sell to?", "context": "Enterprise sales hire qualification: can they excite people with vision?", "topic_id": "topic_11", "line_start": 572, "line_end": 572 }, { "id": "insight_49", "text": "Incentives. Salespeople love to make money. If they know it's possible, if they know it's possible, you'll be shocked what people can get done.", "context": "Motivation structure: transparent upside incentive aligns effort and results", "topic_id": "topic_12", "line_start": 578, "line_end": 584 }, { "id": "insight_50", "text": "The best thing to do is have the founder join the first five calls. You know after five calls if this person has what it takes, and don't be afraid to fire. One in every two salespeople usually are fired.", "context": "Fast feedback loop: founder co-selling reveals hire quality quickly; 50% failure rate expected", "topic_id": "topic_12", "line_start": 590, "line_end": 590 }, { "id": "insight_51", "text": "It's usually 50/50. So it's 50% base salary, 50% OTE. It depends on the size of the deal, but in technology, it could be anywhere between eight and 12%. So rounds out around 10%.", "context": "Standard enterprise sales comp: 50/50 base/OTE, 10% commission", "topic_id": "topic_12", "line_start": 602, "line_end": 608 }, { "id": "insight_52", "text": "It's around that 1 million ARR mark and it's usually when you have your first seven to 10 customers and there's some pattern recognition around it that you can share with somebody else, there's some consistencies.", "context": "Timing for first hire: $1M ARR with 7-10 customers and repeatable sales process", "topic_id": "topic_12", "line_start": 614, "line_end": 614 }, { "id": "insight_53", "text": "Well, I'm a $10 million business. I'm in this small business space. You're $0 in enterprise. It's a zero to one right now in enterprise. It's a totally different game.", "context": "SMB success doesn't transfer to enterprise; restart from zero learning curve", "topic_id": "topic_12", "line_start": 620, "line_end": 620 }, { "id": "insight_54", "text": "There's a bunch of unlearning that needs to happen when you move into a new market.", "context": "Scaling from SMB to enterprise requires mental model reset", "topic_id": "topic_12", "line_start": 626, "line_end": 626 }, { "id": "insight_55", "text": "Ask the questions you're afraid to because that truth is going to get you closer and closer to the answer.", "context": "Discomfort of direct questioning yields clearer qualification signals", "topic_id": "topic_13", "line_start": 680, "line_end": 680 }, { "id": "insight_56", "text": "Every single enterprise deal I have done, the deal is done, the deal is closed and pretty much done through text. It's not on email anymore. It is a relationship you're building with someone where if my enterprise client called me, I'm picking up that phone immediately.", "context": "Enterprise deals happen in personal channels (text/calls), not formal email", "topic_id": "topic_17", "line_start": 683, "line_end": 683 }, { "id": "insight_57", "text": "If they know they can call on you, they're going to get you to pick up and they know that you're going to do everything humanly possible to make sure that this is successful. People will turn over rocks for you.", "context": "Responsiveness builds disproportionate loyalty in enterprise relationships", "topic_id": "topic_17", "line_start": 683, "line_end": 683 }, { "id": "insight_58", "text": "Structuring the deal, make it feel like you went to bat for them and in often cases, you are going to bat for them and structure it in a way that makes sense for them.", "context": "Enterprise customer success depends on deal structure that enables buyer to defend purchase", "topic_id": "topic_17", "line_start": 689, "line_end": 689 }, { "id": "insight_59", "text": "A $100,000 deal, it very commonly will look different every time.", "context": "Enterprise deal customization is expected norm, not exception", "topic_id": "topic_17", "line_start": 689, "line_end": 689 }, { "id": "insight_60", "text": "They don't do this every year. It's very rare. It's no one likes a new tool. No one. Not you, not me, unless it changes everything.", "context": "Enterprise tool adoption is infrequent, high-stakes decision", "topic_id": "topic_17", "line_start": 695, "line_end": 695 }, { "id": "insight_61", "text": "Listen, this is $150,000 engagement. I will co-author it with you where we can make this a little bit bigger if you need something else. We can make it a little bit smaller in year one, but in year two it steps up.", "context": "Co-authored pricing: allows customer to defend while creating growth trajectory", "topic_id": "topic_18", "line_start": 707, "line_end": 707 }, { "id": "insight_62", "text": "Co-authoring the pricing is so important because they need to know that they go to bat, they can say, 'I got this out of them. If we get this deal done.'", "context": "Deal structure must enable customer to take credit for negotiation", "topic_id": "topic_18", "line_start": 710, "line_end": 710 }, { "id": "insight_63", "text": "If someone wants a slightly lower price, give it to them, but maybe them lock them in a little bit longer.", "context": "Pricing flexibility: trade price for term commitment rather than straight discount", "topic_id": "topic_18", "line_start": 710, "line_end": 710 }, { "id": "insight_64", "text": "I am a qualification crazy person. I will not get in on another call with someone because on the first call it's either a yes or a no, there's no in between.", "context": "Aggressive qualification: first call determines continuation or close-out", "topic_id": "topic_15", "line_start": 716, "line_end": 716 }, { "id": "insight_65", "text": "It's very obvious if someone is excited and wants to do something, it is so obvious when someone is just trying to be nice.", "context": "Buyer enthusiasm is readable; most people are poor at hiding lack of interest", "topic_id": "topic_15", "line_start": 716, "line_end": 716 }, { "id": "insight_66", "text": "I'm sort of getting the vibe that this might not be a good fit or might not be good timing. Did I misinterpret that? And they will usually say, Yeah, you're right, it's probably not a good fit. Great, I would love to stay in touch. You've just saved a relationship and you've just saved yourself a ton of time.", "context": "Disqualification script: surface lack of fit directly to preserve relationship and save time", "topic_id": "topic_15", "line_start": 719, "line_end": 719 }, { "id": "insight_67", "text": "I don't use a tool because I believe in the manual. Every single note I send is slightly different because I see a picture of them and I'm like, 'Oh, I don't know if that's going to land.'", "context": "Manual personalization: visual and contextual analysis outperforms database-driven templates", "topic_id": "topic_14", "line_start": 731, "line_end": 731 }, { "id": "insight_68", "text": "Visual cues are so helpful. A picture is a visual cue, looking at how long they've been in the role, looking how long they've been at the company.", "context": "Outbound research signals: tenure, role changes, visual presentation all inform approach", "topic_id": "topic_14", "line_start": 731, "line_end": 731 }, { "id": "insight_69", "text": "I seldom customize a note in a way that people expect which is that first customized sentence because AI does that, and everyone's doing that.", "context": "Counter-AI strategy: avoid obvious personalization tropes; differentiate elsewhere", "topic_id": "topic_14", "line_start": 734, "line_end": 734 }, { "id": "insight_70", "text": "If I'm talking to someone like a peer, I might say quick question like QQ. If I'm talking to someone that has a bit more experience, I might write a little bit of a tighter note, not all lowercase.", "context": "Tone and formality calibrated to buyer seniority and position", "topic_id": "topic_14", "line_start": 734, "line_end": 734 }, { "id": "insight_71", "text": "It's okay to spend a little bit of time on this because it's a hundred thousand dollars. It's actually a million dollars at the end of the day because a $100,000 deal if you play your cards right turns into a million dollar deal over three to five years.", "context": "ROI justifies manual time investment: first deal seeds $3-5M lifetime customer value", "topic_id": "topic_14", "line_start": 737, "line_end": 737 }, { "id": "insight_72", "text": "I have no process. I kind of just go with the vibe. I'll read an article about Tesla and I'm like, 'Huh, they could be interested in this.' Not because that article had anything to do with the problem I'm solving, but because I'm like, 'This feels like a good Tesla day.'", "context": "Intuitive prospecting: news consumption + pattern matching informs opportunity identification", "topic_id": "topic_14", "line_start": 743, "line_end": 743 }, { "id": "insight_73", "text": "The most successful sales people can't explain why they're good at it. It just comes to them naturally. It's just like an emotional thing.", "context": "Enterprise sales excellence is more intuitive art than learnable science", "topic_id": "topic_14", "line_start": 743, "line_end": 743 }, { "id": "insight_74", "text": "I don't believe in playbooks. I believe that there's a feel to it.", "context": "Scalable sales playbooks don't work for enterprise deals; adaptability is key", "topic_id": "topic_14", "line_start": 746, "line_end": 746 }, { "id": "insight_75", "text": "I emailed a chief legal officer at a hedge fund once and he responded to me because I wrote to him on Saturday. I knew it was going to be busy. I made it one sentence and it was tweaked for him.", "context": "Context awareness: timing, format, and micro-personalization drive response", "topic_id": "topic_14", "line_start": 746, "line_end": 746 }, { "id": "insight_76", "text": "Do you feel like this is going to be the way as AI SDRs just kind of take over and everyone's getting billions of emails that feel AI-ish? Yes.", "context": "Future prediction: AI-driven outbound commoditization makes manual high-touch approach more valuable", "topic_id": "topic_14", "line_start": 749, "line_end": 752 }, { "id": "insight_77", "text": "I want to email someone not in the database that's getting hit by a million folks. I want to take a back door in, not the front door where everyone else is trick-or-treating.", "context": "Differentiation strategy: avoid saturated channels; find unconventional contact paths", "topic_id": "topic_14", "line_start": 758, "line_end": 758 }, { "id": "insight_78", "text": "It's all in my brain. I've been doing this for so long, I have in my brain, I'm like, these are my early adopters.", "context": "Target prospect list: experience-based heuristic replaces database/tools", "topic_id": "topic_14", "line_start": 776, "line_end": 776 }, { "id": "insight_79", "text": "You land a Walmart, you're going to go to the rest of the industry and say, 'Hey, we're working with Walmart.' Versus you go to some lower end enterprise company and they're like, 'Wait, what do you do?'", "context": "Logo hierarchy: tier-one logos provide 10x more social proof than mid-tier prospects", "topic_id": "topic_14", "line_start": 776, "line_end": 776 }, { "id": "insight_80", "text": "The most strategic people, some of the most strategic executives are at these tier one logos. That's why they're tier one because they've got super smart, really capable folks.", "context": "Tier-one advantage: best talent, fastest decision-making, highest strategic impact", "topic_id": "topic_14", "line_start": 779, "line_end": 779 }, { "id": "insight_81", "text": "The founder, this is sort of in tune with them in a way. They just have to find it. It's so weird to say it's all, but it's like there's this thing about flow and it's like some of these brands are in flow with you right now, right?", "context": "Founder instinct: intuitive pattern matching to identify best prospects", "topic_id": "topic_14", "line_start": 785, "line_end": 785 }, { "id": "insight_82", "text": "If it was just a database list and it was just about figuring out the right messaging and then emailing folks, we would've known by that by now.", "context": "Outbound can't be commoditized: relationship and timing matter more than messaging", "topic_id": "topic_14", "line_start": 797, "line_end": 797 }, { "id": "insight_83", "text": "When you hit resistance, you never argue, you reframe. If someone says, 'We already have X solution, you'll agree and pivot and totally X is great for this thing, but here's what we can do.'", "context": "Objection handling: agree and redirect to unique value rather than defend", "topic_id": "topic_16", "line_start": 800, "line_end": 800 }, { "id": "insight_84", "text": "Hey, I know. Listen, that problem you just described, you're right. You have a tool for that. We're taking you much further upstream with value. This is the opportunity I want you guys to have access to.", "context": "Reframing example: acknowledge existing solution, pivot to complementary opportunity", "topic_id": "topic_16", "line_start": 803, "line_end": 803 }, { "id": "insight_85", "text": "This stuff is really hard. It's very hard. Sales is also all about learning very, very quickly from the rejection.", "context": "Enterprise sales requires resilience: rejection as learning opportunity", "topic_id": "topic_19", "line_start": 815, "line_end": 815 }, { "id": "insight_86", "text": "The rejection is good because it's a forced learning and you never want to go through that again, but you have to be, I don't like to use the word cringe. You can't be afraid to cringe.", "context": "Discomfort is required: willingness to try unconventional approaches despite social awkwardness", "topic_id": "topic_19", "line_start": 815, "line_end": 815 }, { "id": "insight_87", "text": "Don't be afraid to ask the hard questions. Be different. The whole game is about, 'Oh, this feels different. That's what people want access to.'", "context": "Differentiation engine: novelty and non-conformity drive interest", "topic_id": "topic_19", "line_start": 815, "line_end": 818 }, { "id": "insight_88", "text": "Yet everyone commoditizes themselves. They try and mimic what everyone, they try and mimic a forward deployed engineer. Just rename it. You don't have to use the same nomenclature.", "context": "Anti-imitation principle: copying terminology and approaches strips away differentiation", "topic_id": "topic_19", "line_start": 818, "line_end": 818 }, { "id": "insight_89", "text": "Everyone gets excited by the new because the new could be the next thing, the thing that changes it all. So that's why I'm always like, 'Don't be better. Be different.'", "context": "Strategic positioning: differentiation creates aspiration; incremental improvement doesn't", "topic_id": "topic_19", "line_start": 818, "line_end": 818 }, { "id": "insight_90", "text": "Jason Lemkin is awesome, awesome follow for sales, and also he had a great, great recording with you. So link to that because that was a great piece. I actually learned a ton from Matt.", "context": "Jason Lemkin as leading enterprise sales educator", "topic_id": "topic_19", "line_start": 860, "line_end": 860 } ], "examples": [ { "id": "example_1", "explicit_text": "Walmart", "inferred_identity": "Walmart", "confidence": 100, "tags": [ "Walmart", "retail", "Fortune 500", "enterprise", "tier-one logo", "target customer" ], "lesson": "Tier-one logos like Walmart are early adopters that will take swings on new technology if they see competitive advantage opportunity", "topic_id": "topic_3", "line_start": 98, "line_end": 98 }, { "id": "example_2", "explicit_text": "NVIDIA, Tesla, ExxonMobil, UnitedHealthcare", "inferred_identity": "Multiple tier-one logos", "confidence": 100, "tags": [ "NVIDIA", "Tesla", "ExxonMobil", "UnitedHealthcare", "tier-one", "Fortune 500", "industry leaders" ], "lesson": "Top companies in their industries are best target customers as they're willing to experiment to maintain competitive leadership", "topic_id": "topic_3", "line_start": 98, "line_end": 98 }, { "id": "example_3", "explicit_text": "At Stripe", "inferred_identity": "Stripe (payments company)", "confidence": 95, "tags": [ "Stripe", "fintech", "SaaS", "design partner", "technology company" ], "lesson": "Large technology companies like Stripe can serve as design partners because they understand startup culture and continuous innovation", "topic_id": "topic_7", "line_start": 272, "line_end": 272 }, { "id": "example_4", "explicit_text": "Linear, which started very startup-ey", "inferred_identity": "Linear (project management software)", "confidence": 95, "tags": [ "Linear", "project management", "SaaS", "startup-friendly", "developer tools", "growth strategy" ], "lesson": "Starting with startup customers and growing them over time as they scale can become the default tool for an entire market", "topic_id": "topic_8", "line_start": 338, "line_end": 338 }, { "id": "example_5", "explicit_text": "Slack and Microsoft Teams are still battling it out at the enterprise", "inferred_identity": "Slack and Microsoft Teams", "confidence": 100, "tags": [ "Slack", "Microsoft Teams", "communication platform", "enterprise", "competitive analysis" ], "lesson": "Integration capabilities and infrastructure requirements determine enterprise penetration more than feature superiority", "topic_id": "topic_8", "line_start": 341, "line_end": 341 }, { "id": "example_6", "explicit_text": "OpenAI", "inferred_identity": "OpenAI (AI company)", "confidence": 100, "tags": [ "OpenAI", "AI", "LLM", "enterprise sales", "low-risk entry", "data privacy" ], "lesson": "Building trust first by not touching customer data, then gradually integrating creates easier enterprise adoption path", "topic_id": "topic_8", "line_start": 347, "line_end": 347 }, { "id": "example_7", "explicit_text": "Anthropic, Gemini, Microsoft Copilot", "inferred_identity": "Anthropic, Google Gemini, Microsoft Copilot", "confidence": 90, "tags": [ "Anthropic", "Google Gemini", "Microsoft Copilot", "AI platforms", "enterprise", "bundling strategy" ], "lesson": "Bundling with larger platforms (Gemini with Google, Copilot with Microsoft) provides distribution advantage despite product quality", "topic_id": "topic_8", "line_start": 359, "line_end": 359 }, { "id": "example_8", "explicit_text": "Cursor", "inferred_identity": "Cursor (AI-powered code editor)", "confidence": 95, "tags": [ "Cursor", "developer tools", "AI", "code editor", "vision casting", "talent acquisition" ], "lesson": "Vision cast to enterprise buyers by positioning product as way to attract 10X talent rather than just improving productivity", "topic_id": "topic_4", "line_start": 146, "line_end": 152 }, { "id": "example_9", "explicit_text": "Palantir, this Forward Deployed Engineer", "inferred_identity": "Palantir (data analytics company)", "confidence": 95, "tags": [ "Palantir", "data analytics", "forward deployed engineer", "services model", "enterprise sales" ], "lesson": "Forward deployed engineers embedded in customer organizations build trust and gather requirements, then transition to product", "topic_id": "topic_10", "line_start": 413, "line_end": 413 }, { "id": "example_10", "explicit_text": "I have a client at a Fortune 10 company where I was like, 'It's so important we get the deal done this year. Is that possible?' And she's like, 'It's a tall order, but if it's going to help you, let's do it.'", "inferred_identity": "Fortune 10 company (unspecified)", "confidence": 60, "tags": [ "Fortune 10", "enterprise", "relationship", "deal closing", "executive buy-in" ], "lesson": "When trust is built through relationships, enterprise customers will exert unusual effort and go to bat for vendors they believe in", "topic_id": "topic_17", "line_start": 686, "line_end": 686 }, { "id": "example_11", "explicit_text": "Accenture, Deloitte, McKinsey", "inferred_identity": "Large consulting firms", "confidence": 100, "tags": [ "Accenture", "Deloitte", "McKinsey", "consulting", "enterprise", "channel partnership", "client embedding" ], "lesson": "Consulting firms' clients expect embedded consultants in offices, but using them as channel partners doesn't work - they're not visionaries", "topic_id": "topic_10", "line_start": 434, "line_end": 434 }, { "id": "example_12", "explicit_text": "If your team gets access to Cursor, they won't even join your company if you're not using Cursor", "inferred_identity": "Cursor (AI code editor)", "confidence": 95, "tags": [ "Cursor", "developer tools", "hiring", "talent attraction", "technical teams" ], "lesson": "Developer tools become non-negotiable for recruiting - 10X engineers make tool choice a employment condition", "topic_id": "topic_4", "line_start": 152, "line_end": 152 }, { "id": "example_13", "explicit_text": "Figma, Slack", "inferred_identity": "Figma and Slack", "confidence": 100, "tags": [ "Figma", "Slack", "SaaS", "transformation", "changed workflows", "enterprise adoption" ], "lesson": "Tools that transform entire workflows (like Figma and Slack) achieve enterprise adoption because they're genuinely transformative", "topic_id": "topic_17", "line_start": 698, "line_end": 698 }, { "id": "example_14", "explicit_text": "ClassDojo, Playground (preschool apps)", "inferred_identity": "ClassDojo and Playground", "confidence": 90, "tags": [ "ClassDojo", "Playground", "EdTech", "B2B2C", "preschool", "parent communication" ], "lesson": "Tools designed for education and parent communication achieve high satisfaction through visual feedback and daily engagement", "topic_id": "topic_19", "line_start": 926, "line_end": 926 }, { "id": "example_15", "explicit_text": "Jason Lemkin", "inferred_identity": "Jason Lemkin (SaaS entrepreneur and educator)", "confidence": 100, "tags": [ "Jason Lemkin", "SaaS", "sales educator", "entrepreneur", "Twitter", "industry thought leader" ], "lesson": "Jason Lemkin is the leading educator on B2B SaaS sales strategy and provides clear, actionable advice on sales hiring and structure", "topic_id": "topic_19", "line_start": 860, "line_end": 860 }, { "id": "example_16", "explicit_text": "Gavin Baker", "inferred_identity": "Gavin Baker (venture capitalist and investor)", "confidence": 85, "tags": [ "Gavin Baker", "VC", "venture capital", "Twitter", "nuanced analysis" ], "lesson": "Gavin Baker provides nuanced, non-obvious insights on markets, companies, and business models", "topic_id": "topic_19", "line_start": 860, "line_end": 860 }, { "id": "example_17", "explicit_text": "Jason Cohen (Smart Bear)", "inferred_identity": "Jason Cohen, founder of Smart Bear Software", "confidence": 95, "tags": [ "Jason Cohen", "Smart Bear", "SaaS founder", "Drip", "bootstrap" ], "lesson": "Jason Cohen represents successful bootstrap and founder-led approach to SaaS", "topic_id": "topic_19", "line_start": 863, "line_end": 863 }, { "id": "example_18", "explicit_text": "Replit", "inferred_identity": "Replit (online IDE)", "confidence": 95, "tags": [ "Replit", "developer tools", "IDE", "education", "startup" ], "lesson": "Jason Lemkin's public criticism of Replit created industry cycle around product issues", "topic_id": "topic_19", "line_start": 959, "line_end": 959 }, { "id": "example_19", "explicit_text": "State Affairs (where Jen is now GM of Enterprise)", "inferred_identity": "State Affairs (state policy transparency platform)", "confidence": 95, "tags": [ "State Affairs", "policy", "government transparency", "B2B SaaS", "state government" ], "lesson": "State policy impact on businesses is underestimated compared to federal policy, creating opportunity for transparency tools", "topic_id": "topic_19", "line_start": 998, "line_end": 998 }, { "id": "example_20", "explicit_text": "JJELLYFISH", "inferred_identity": "JJELLYFISH (sales consulting firm founded by Jen Abel)", "confidence": 100, "tags": [ "JJELLYFISH", "sales consulting", "founder-led sales", "enterprise sales" ], "lesson": "JJELLYFISH helps early-stage startups from zero to $1M ARR with founder-led sales strategies", "topic_id": "topic_19", "line_start": 997, "line_end": 997 }, { "id": "example_21", "explicit_text": "Tesla", "inferred_identity": "Tesla (electric vehicle company)", "confidence": 100, "tags": [ "Tesla", "enterprise prospect", "automotive", "innovation" ], "lesson": "Jen uses pattern matching and intuition - she might reach out to Tesla executives based on news about company strategy, not direct product fit", "topic_id": "topic_14", "line_start": 743, "line_end": 743 }, { "id": "example_22", "explicit_text": "Chief legal officer at a hedge fund who responded to Saturday email", "inferred_identity": "Hedge fund (unspecified)", "confidence": 50, "tags": [ "hedge fund", "chief legal officer", "financial services", "outbound success" ], "lesson": "Timing (Saturday), format (one sentence), and personalization drove response from busy executive", "topic_id": "topic_14", "line_start": 746, "line_end": 746 }, { "id": "example_23", "explicit_text": "If they have a very immature way of understanding the problem or they've never purchased technology to solve it", "inferred_identity": "Enterprise companies new to category", "confidence": 60, "tags": [ "enterprise", "new technology adoption", "education required", "services model" ], "lesson": "Companies new to a category should be sold services first, with gradual transition to product", "topic_id": "topic_10", "line_start": 404, "line_end": 404 }, { "id": "example_24", "explicit_text": "Chevron, Mobil, Exxon", "inferred_identity": "Energy companies (explicit examples of tier-one)", "confidence": 100, "tags": [ "Chevron", "Mobil", "ExxonMobil", "energy", "tier-one", "Fortune 500" ], "lesson": "Oil and gas companies exemplify tier-one logos that should be early targets for startups", "topic_id": "topic_3", "line_start": 101, "line_end": 101 } ] }